• Re: Tariffs Boomerang On Orange Tariffman

    From NoBody@NoBody@nowhere.com to alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics on Wed Apr 15 07:19:59 2026
    From Newsgroup: talk.politics.misc

    On Tue, 14 Apr 2026 11:06:39 -0000 (UTC), bks@panix.com (Bradley K.
    Sherman) wrote:

    |
    | 'People are trying to be creative': Tariff-battered
    | American companies are so cash-starved they are using
    | refund claims as collateral for loans
    | ...
    <https://finance.yahoo.com/economy/policy/articles/people-trying-creative-tariff-battered-081000028.html>

    --bks

    What you didn't quote:

    "U.S. importers—who have shouldered the brunt of the tariffs—are now
    waiting to receive an estimated $166 billion in refunds on the levies.
    But, battered by supply-chain woes as a result of the import tax,
    hiked energy prices thanks to the Iran war, and nervous consumers
    bracing for recession, many large companies are scrambling for cash."

    Your claim was the costs were passed to consumers so they lost
    NOTHING.l Seems like "corporate greed" is at work. You're against
    that right???

    Right????
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  • From TruthBarker@T.Baker@therehere.org to alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics on Wed Apr 15 08:31:52 2026
    From Newsgroup: talk.politics.misc

    On 2026-04-15 8:19 a.m., NoBody wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Apr 2026 11:06:39 -0000 (UTC), bks@panix.com (Bradley K.
    Sherman) wrote:

    |
    | 'People are trying to be creative': Tariff-battered
    | American companies are so cash-starved they are using
    | refund claims as collateral for loans
    | ...
    <https://finance.yahoo.com/economy/policy/articles/people-trying-creative-tariff-battered-081000028.html>

    --bks

    What you didn't quote:

    "U.S. importers—who have shouldered the brunt of the tariffs—are now waiting to receive an estimated $166 billion in refunds on the levies.
    But, battered by supply-chain woes as a result of the import tax,
    hiked energy prices thanks to the Iran war, and nervous consumers
    bracing for recession, many large companies are scrambling for cash."

    Your claim was the costs were passed to consumers so they lost
    NOTHING.l Seems like "corporate greed" is at work. You're against
    that right???

    Right????

    take the quiz
    --
    --------------------------------------------
    A little quiz
    Who is deeply corrupt, a pathological liar and incompetent poop?
    If your answer is ‘Orange Magoo’, you get A+ --------------------------------------------
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  • From phoenix@j63840576@gmail.com to alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics on Wed Apr 15 06:55:42 2026
    From Newsgroup: talk.politics.misc

    NoBody wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Apr 2026 11:06:39 -0000 (UTC), bks@panix.com (Bradley K.
    Sherman) wrote:

    |
    | 'People are trying to be creative': Tariff-battered
    | American companies are so cash-starved they are using
    | refund claims as collateral for loans
    | ...
    <https://finance.yahoo.com/economy/policy/articles/people-trying-creative-tariff-battered-081000028.html>

    --bks

    What you didn't quote:

    "U.S. importers—who have shouldered the brunt of the tariffs—are now waiting to receive an estimated $166 billion in refunds on the levies.
    But, battered by supply-chain woes as a result of the import tax,
    hiked energy prices thanks to the Iran war, and nervous consumers
    bracing for recession, many large companies are scrambling for cash."

    Your claim was the costs were passed to consumers so they lost
    NOTHING.l Seems like "corporate greed" is at work. You're against
    that right???

    Right????

    These companies "ate" the tariffs. It's not often that you hear liberals commenting on such. $166 billion is quite a lot though for them to sweep
    under the rug. Just wait and watch, they will continue to say that the
    people bore the entire cost of the tariffs again and again because they
    don't care to gain an economics background.
    --
    Pharaoh was so pleased with Hadad that he gave him a
    sister of his own wife, Queen Tahpenes, in marriage.
    The sister of Tahpenes bore him a son named Genubath,
    whom Tahpenes brought up in the royal palace. There
    Genubath lived with Pharaoh’s own children.
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  • From Mitchell Holman@noemail@aol.com to alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics on Wed Apr 15 13:19:19 2026
    From Newsgroup: talk.politics.misc

    phoenix <j63840576@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:n49g6fFl20sU7@mid.individual.net:

    NoBody wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Apr 2026 11:06:39 -0000 (UTC), bks@panix.com (Bradley K.
    Sherman) wrote:

    |
    | 'People are trying to be creative': Tariff-battered
    | American companies are so cash-starved they are using
    | refund claims as collateral for loans
    | ...
    <https://finance.yahoo.com/economy/policy/articles/people-trying-crea
    tive-tariff-battered-081000028.html>

    --bks

    What you didn't quote:

    "U.S. importers—who have shouldered the brunt of the tariffs—are
    now waiting to receive an estimated $166 billion in refunds on the
    levies. But, battered by supply-chain woes as a result of the import
    tax, hiked energy prices thanks to the Iran war, and nervous
    consumers bracing for recession, many large companies are scrambling
    for cash."

    Your claim was the costs were passed to consumers so they lost
    NOTHING.l Seems like "corporate greed" is at work. You're against
    that right???

    Right????

    These companies "ate" the tariffs. It's not often that you hear
    liberals commenting on such. $166 billion is quite a lot though for
    them to sweep under the rug. Just wait and watch, they will continue
    to say that the people bore the entire cost of the tariffs again and
    again because they don't care to gain an economics background.



    No stockholders will permit a company
    to continually lose profits to appease a
    president. They at least have to put
    forward a plan recoup these loses or face
    a shareholder revolt.




    U.S. Companies Increasingly Passing Tariff Costs on to Consumers
    April 2, 2026

    "The burden of tariffs has now moved squarely onto
    the consumer," said Brian Higgins, U.S. sector leader
    for Industrial Manufacturing at KPMG U.S., in a press
    release. "While businesses absorbed the initial shock
    to their margins, the overwhelming majority are now
    reshaping their pricing models for a trade environment
    where cost pressures are the new constant."

    https://sgbonline.com/kpmg-survey-u-s-companies-increasingly-passing-on- tariff-costs-to-consumers/








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  • From phoenix@j63840576@gmail.com to alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics on Wed Apr 15 08:16:33 2026
    From Newsgroup: talk.politics.misc

    Mitchell Holman wrote:
    phoenix <j63840576@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:n49g6fFl20sU7@mid.individual.net:

    NoBody wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Apr 2026 11:06:39 -0000 (UTC), bks@panix.com (Bradley K.
    Sherman) wrote:

    |
    | 'People are trying to be creative': Tariff-battered
    | American companies are so cash-starved they are using
    | refund claims as collateral for loans
    | ...
    <https://finance.yahoo.com/economy/policy/articles/people-trying-crea
    tive-tariff-battered-081000028.html>

    --bks

    What you didn't quote:

    "U.S. importersâ€â€who have shouldered the brunt of the tariffsâ€â€are
    now waiting to receive an estimated $166 billion in refunds on the
    levies. But, battered by supply-chain woes as a result of the import
    tax, hiked energy prices thanks to the Iran war, and nervous
    consumers bracing for recession, many large companies are scrambling
    for cash."

    Your claim was the costs were passed to consumers so they lost
    NOTHING.l Seems like "corporate greed" is at work. You're against
    that right???

    Right????

    These companies "ate" the tariffs. It's not often that you hear
    liberals commenting on such. $166 billion is quite a lot though for
    them to sweep under the rug. Just wait and watch, they will continue
    to say that the people bore the entire cost of the tariffs again and
    again because they don't care to gain an economics background.



    No stockholders will permit a company
    to continually lose profits to appease a
    president. They at least have to put
    forward a plan recoup these loses or face
    a shareholder revolt.




    U.S. Companies Increasingly Passing Tariff Costs on to Consumers
    April 2, 2026

    "The burden of tariffs has now moved squarely onto
    the consumer," said Brian Higgins, U.S. sector leader
    for Industrial Manufacturing at KPMG U.S., in a press
    release. "While businesses absorbed the initial shock
    to their margins, the overwhelming majority are now
    reshaping their pricing models for a trade environment
    where cost pressures are the new constant."

    https://sgbonline.com/kpmg-survey-u-s-companies-increasingly-passing-on- tariff-costs-to-consumers/


    Note that that's "Industrial Manufacturing," such as where the price of
    steel was tariffed along with wood and some other construction
    materials. I think this guy was only talking about in the Industrial Manufacturing area, not like Wal-Mart, which sees a lot more customers
    and kept prices low.

    The idea is that the companies are already profitable and tariffs won't
    break their bank. Do you have any information on how much for example, Wal-Mart's costs went up from the tariffs? That percentage might be an interesting number to this conversation, because I am claiming it was smallish, but perhaps I am wrong.

    However, I admit there were quite a few bankruptcies, probably from
    companies that never had a concrete plan on how to deal with the
    tariffs, most likely run by liberals who didn't understand economics.
    --
    Pharaoh was so pleased with Hadad that he gave him a
    sister of his own wife, Queen Tahpenes, in marriage.
    The sister of Tahpenes bore him a son named Genubath,
    whom Tahpenes brought up in the royal palace. There
    Genubath lived with Pharaoh’s own children.
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  • From Mitchell Holman@noemail@aol.com to alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics on Thu Apr 16 01:40:14 2026
    From Newsgroup: talk.politics.misc

    phoenix <j63840576@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:n49ku3Fls9kU1@mid.individual.net:

    Mitchell Holman wrote:
    phoenix <j63840576@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:n49g6fFl20sU7@mid.individual.net:

    NoBody wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Apr 2026 11:06:39 -0000 (UTC), bks@panix.com (Bradley K.
    Sherman) wrote:

    |
    | 'People are trying to be creative': Tariff-battered
    | American companies are so cash-starved they are using
    | refund claims as collateral for loans
    | ...
    <https://finance.yahoo.com/economy/policy/articles/people-trying-cr
    ea tive-tariff-battered-081000028.html>

    --bks

    What you didn't quote:

    "U.S. importersâ€â€who have shouldered the brunt of the
    tariffsâ€â€are now waiting to receive an estimated $166 billion
    in refunds on the levies. But, battered by supply-chain woes as a
    result of the import tax, hiked energy prices thanks to the Iran
    war, and nervous consumers bracing for recession, many large
    companies are scrambling for cash."

    Your claim was the costs were passed to consumers so they lost
    NOTHING.l Seems like "corporate greed" is at work. You're against
    that right???

    Right????

    These companies "ate" the tariffs. It's not often that you hear
    liberals commenting on such. $166 billion is quite a lot though for
    them to sweep under the rug. Just wait and watch, they will continue
    to say that the people bore the entire cost of the tariffs again and
    again because they don't care to gain an economics background.



    No stockholders will permit a company
    to continually lose profits to appease a
    president. They at least have to put
    forward a plan recoup these loses or face
    a shareholder revolt.




    U.S. Companies Increasingly Passing Tariff Costs on to Consumers
    April 2, 2026

    "The burden of tariffs has now moved squarely onto
    the consumer," said Brian Higgins, U.S. sector leader
    for Industrial Manufacturing at KPMG U.S., in a press
    release. "While businesses absorbed the initial shock
    to their margins, the overwhelming majority are now
    reshaping their pricing models for a trade environment
    where cost pressures are the new constant."

    https://sgbonline.com/kpmg-survey-u-s-companies-increasingly-passing-o
    n- tariff-costs-to-consumers/


    Note that that's "Industrial Manufacturing," such as where the price
    of steel was tariffed along with wood and some other construction
    materials. I think this guy was only talking about in the Industrial Manufacturing area, not like Wal-Mart, which sees a lot more customers
    and kept prices low.

    The idea is that the companies are already profitable and tariffs
    won't break their bank. Do you have any information on how much for
    example, Wal-Mart's costs went up from the tariffs? That percentage
    might be an interesting number to this conversation, because I am
    claiming it was smallish, but perhaps I am wrong.

    However, I admit there were quite a few bankruptcies, probably from companies that never had a concrete plan on how to deal with the
    tariffs, most likely run by liberals who didn't understand economics.



    I rather doubt any company "run by liberals"
    would let themselves be ruined by accepting the
    tariff losses to protect Trump.

    And the biggest block of businesses being
    ruined by Trump's tariffs are farmers who, as
    you have to admit, are hardly liberals.


    Farm Chapter 12 bankruptcies in 2026 up 46% from 2024
    Feb 12, 2026 https://www.gfb.org/news/ag-news/post/farm-chapter-12-bankruptcies-in- 2026-up-46-from-2024










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  • From Tim Longshine@noemailisfine@hyy.com to alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics on Thu Apr 16 01:45:48 2026
    From Newsgroup: talk.politics.misc

    Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> wrote in news:XnsB42FD1C0E2404629555@ 185.151.15.190:

    phoenix <j63840576@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:n49ku3Fls9kU1@mid.individual.net:

    Mitchell Holman wrote:
    phoenix <j63840576@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:n49g6fFl20sU7@mid.individual.net:

    NoBody wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Apr 2026 11:06:39 -0000 (UTC), bks@panix.com (Bradley K.
    Sherman) wrote:

    |
    | 'People are trying to be creative': Tariff-battered
    | American companies are so cash-starved they are using
    | refund claims as collateral for loans
    | ...
    <https://finance.yahoo.com/economy/policy/articles/people-trying-
    cr
    ea tive-tariff-battered-081000028.html>

    --bks

    What you didn't quote:

    "U.S. importersâ€â€who have shouldered the brunt of the
    tariffsâ€â€are now waiting to receive an estimated $166 billion
    in refunds on the levies. But, battered by supply-chain woes as a
    result of the import tax, hiked energy prices thanks to the Iran
    war, and nervous consumers bracing for recession, many large
    companies are scrambling for cash."

    Your claim was the costs were passed to consumers so they lost
    NOTHING.l Seems like "corporate greed" is at work. You're against
    that right???

    Right????

    These companies "ate" the tariffs. It's not often that you hear
    liberals commenting on such. $166 billion is quite a lot though for
    them to sweep under the rug. Just wait and watch, they will continue
    to say that the people bore the entire cost of the tariffs again and
    again because they don't care to gain an economics background.



    No stockholders will permit a company
    to continually lose profits to appease a
    president. They at least have to put
    forward a plan recoup these loses or face
    a shareholder revolt.




    U.S. Companies Increasingly Passing Tariff Costs on to Consumers
    April 2, 2026

    "The burden of tariffs has now moved squarely onto
    the consumer," said Brian Higgins, U.S. sector leader
    for Industrial Manufacturing at KPMG U.S., in a press
    release. "While businesses absorbed the initial shock
    to their margins, the overwhelming majority are now
    reshaping their pricing models for a trade environment
    where cost pressures are the new constant."

    https://sgbonline.com/kpmg-survey-u-s-companies-increasingly-passing-
    o
    n- tariff-costs-to-consumers/


    Note that that's "Industrial Manufacturing," such as where the price
    of steel was tariffed along with wood and some other construction
    materials. I think this guy was only talking about in the Industrial
    Manufacturing area, not like Wal-Mart, which sees a lot more customers
    and kept prices low.

    The idea is that the companies are already profitable and tariffs
    won't break their bank. Do you have any information on how much for
    example, Wal-Mart's costs went up from the tariffs? That percentage
    might be an interesting number to this conversation, because I am
    claiming it was smallish, but perhaps I am wrong.

    However, I admit there were quite a few bankruptcies, probably from
    companies that never had a concrete plan on how to deal with the
    tariffs, most likely run by liberals who didn't understand economics.



    I rather doubt any company "run by liberals"
    would let themselves be ruined by accepting the
    tariff losses to protect Trump.

    https://share.google/aimode/nWumFOfPt9tO6Fk5h
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  • From NoBody@NoBody@nowhere.com to alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics on Thu Apr 16 07:24:36 2026
    From Newsgroup: talk.politics.misc

    On Wed, 15 Apr 2026 07:19:59 -0400, NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 14 Apr 2026 11:06:39 -0000 (UTC), bks@panix.com (Bradley K.
    Sherman) wrote:

    |
    | 'People are trying to be creative': Tariff-battered
    | American companies are so cash-starved they are using
    | refund claims as collateral for loans
    | ... >><https://finance.yahoo.com/economy/policy/articles/people-trying-creative-tariff-battered-081000028.html>

    --bks

    What you didn't quote:

    "U.S. importers—who have shouldered the brunt of the tariffs—are now
    waiting to receive an estimated $166 billion in refunds on the levies.
    But, battered by supply-chain woes as a result of the import tax,
    hiked energy prices thanks to the Iran war, and nervous consumers
    bracing for recession, many large companies are scrambling for cash."

    Your claim was the costs were passed to consumers so they lost
    NOTHING.l Seems like "corporate greed" is at work. You're against
    that right???

    Right????

    And Bradley runs away.
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  • From phoenix@j63840576@gmail.com to alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics on Thu Apr 16 06:13:37 2026
    From Newsgroup: talk.politics.misc

    Mitchell Holman wrote:
    phoenix <j63840576@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:n49ku3Fls9kU1@mid.individual.net:

    Mitchell Holman wrote:
    phoenix <j63840576@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:n49g6fFl20sU7@mid.individual.net:

    NoBody wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Apr 2026 11:06:39 -0000 (UTC), bks@panix.com (Bradley K.
    Sherman) wrote:

    |
    | 'People are trying to be creative': Tariff-battered
    | American companies are so cash-starved they are using
    | refund claims as collateral for loans
    | ...
    <https://finance.yahoo.com/economy/policy/articles/people-trying-cr >>>>>> ea tive-tariff-battered-081000028.html>

    --bks

    What you didn't quote:

    "U.S. importersâ€â€Âwho have shouldered the brunt of the >>>>> tariffsâ€â€Âare now waiting to receive an estimated $166 billion
    in refunds on the levies. But, battered by supply-chain woes as a
    result of the import tax, hiked energy prices thanks to the Iran
    war, and nervous consumers bracing for recession, many large
    companies are scrambling for cash."

    Your claim was the costs were passed to consumers so they lost
    NOTHING.l Seems like "corporate greed" is at work. You're against
    that right???

    Right????

    These companies "ate" the tariffs. It's not often that you hear
    liberals commenting on such. $166 billion is quite a lot though for
    them to sweep under the rug. Just wait and watch, they will continue
    to say that the people bore the entire cost of the tariffs again and
    again because they don't care to gain an economics background.



    No stockholders will permit a company
    to continually lose profits to appease a
    president. They at least have to put
    forward a plan recoup these loses or face
    a shareholder revolt.




    U.S. Companies Increasingly Passing Tariff Costs on to Consumers
    April 2, 2026

    "The burden of tariffs has now moved squarely onto
    the consumer," said Brian Higgins, U.S. sector leader
    for Industrial Manufacturing at KPMG U.S., in a press
    release. "While businesses absorbed the initial shock
    to their margins, the overwhelming majority are now
    reshaping their pricing models for a trade environment
    where cost pressures are the new constant."

    https://sgbonline.com/kpmg-survey-u-s-companies-increasingly-passing-o
    n- tariff-costs-to-consumers/


    Note that that's "Industrial Manufacturing," such as where the price
    of steel was tariffed along with wood and some other construction
    materials. I think this guy was only talking about in the Industrial
    Manufacturing area, not like Wal-Mart, which sees a lot more customers
    and kept prices low.

    The idea is that the companies are already profitable and tariffs
    won't break their bank. Do you have any information on how much for
    example, Wal-Mart's costs went up from the tariffs? That percentage
    might be an interesting number to this conversation, because I am
    claiming it was smallish, but perhaps I am wrong.

    However, I admit there were quite a few bankruptcies, probably from
    companies that never had a concrete plan on how to deal with the
    tariffs, most likely run by liberals who didn't understand economics.



    I rather doubt any company "run by liberals"
    would let themselves be ruined by accepting the
    tariff losses to protect Trump.

    And the biggest block of businesses being
    ruined by Trump's tariffs are farmers who, as
    you have to admit, are hardly liberals.

    Don't you mean "hardy" liberals, because of the socialism that props
    them up with subsidies? Every year tens of billions of dollars is
    funneled from the regular economy to farmers because it's not profitable
    but evidently, necessary. Meanwhile hundreds of billions of vegetables
    go to waste. Something's wrong. Why do we need this socialist solution
    in this capitalist country?
    --
    Pharaoh was so pleased with Hadad that he gave him a
    sister of his own wife, Queen Tahpenes, in marriage.
    The sister of Tahpenes bore him a son named Genubath,
    whom Tahpenes brought up in the royal palace. There
    Genubath lived with Pharaoh’s own children.
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  • From Mitchell Holman@noemail@aol.com to alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics on Thu Apr 16 12:56:56 2026
    From Newsgroup: talk.politics.misc

    phoenix <j63840576@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:n4c23iF3io7U2@mid.individual.net:

    Mitchell Holman wrote:
    phoenix <j63840576@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:n49ku3Fls9kU1@mid.individual.net:

    Mitchell Holman wrote:
    phoenix <j63840576@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:n49g6fFl20sU7@mid.individual.net:

    NoBody wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Apr 2026 11:06:39 -0000 (UTC), bks@panix.com (Bradley
    K. Sherman) wrote:

    |
    | 'People are trying to be creative': Tariff-battered
    | American companies are so cash-starved they are using
    | refund claims as collateral for loans
    | ...
    <https://finance.yahoo.com/economy/policy/articles/people-trying- >>>>>>> cr ea tive-tariff-battered-081000028.html>

    --bks

    What you didn't quote:

    "U.S. importersâ€â€Âwho have shouldered the brunt of
    the tariffsâ€â€Âare now waiting to receive an
    estimated $166 billion in refunds on the levies. But, battered by
    supply-chain woes as a result of the import tax, hiked energy
    prices thanks to the Iran war, and nervous consumers bracing for
    recession, many large companies are scrambling for cash."

    Your claim was the costs were passed to consumers so they lost
    NOTHING.l Seems like "corporate greed" is at work. You're
    against that right???

    Right????

    These companies "ate" the tariffs. It's not often that you hear
    liberals commenting on such. $166 billion is quite a lot though
    for them to sweep under the rug. Just wait and watch, they will
    continue to say that the people bore the entire cost of the
    tariffs again and again because they don't care to gain an
    economics background.



    No stockholders will permit a company
    to continually lose profits to appease a
    president. They at least have to put
    forward a plan recoup these loses or face
    a shareholder revolt.




    U.S. Companies Increasingly Passing Tariff Costs on to Consumers
    April 2, 2026

    "The burden of tariffs has now moved squarely onto
    the consumer," said Brian Higgins, U.S. sector leader
    for Industrial Manufacturing at KPMG U.S., in a press
    release. "While businesses absorbed the initial shock
    to their margins, the overwhelming majority are now
    reshaping their pricing models for a trade environment
    where cost pressures are the new constant."

    https://sgbonline.com/kpmg-survey-u-s-companies-increasingly-passing
    -o n- tariff-costs-to-consumers/


    Note that that's "Industrial Manufacturing," such as where the price
    of steel was tariffed along with wood and some other construction
    materials. I think this guy was only talking about in the Industrial
    Manufacturing area, not like Wal-Mart, which sees a lot more
    customers and kept prices low.

    The idea is that the companies are already profitable and tariffs
    won't break their bank. Do you have any information on how much for
    example, Wal-Mart's costs went up from the tariffs? That percentage
    might be an interesting number to this conversation, because I am
    claiming it was smallish, but perhaps I am wrong.

    However, I admit there were quite a few bankruptcies, probably from
    companies that never had a concrete plan on how to deal with the
    tariffs, most likely run by liberals who didn't understand
    economics.



    I rather doubt any company "run by liberals"
    would let themselves be ruined by accepting the
    tariff losses to protect Trump.

    And the biggest block of businesses being
    ruined by Trump's tariffs are farmers who, as
    you have to admit, are hardly liberals.

    Don't you mean "hardy" liberals, because of the socialism that props
    them up with subsidies? Every year tens of billions of dollars is
    funneled from the regular economy to farmers because it's not
    profitable but evidently, necessary. Meanwhile hundreds of billions of vegetables go to waste. Something's wrong. Why do we need this
    socialist solution in this capitalist country?



    What is your "capitalist" solution?








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  • From phoenix@j63840576@gmail.com to alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics on Thu Apr 16 08:16:48 2026
    From Newsgroup: talk.politics.misc

    Mitchell Holman wrote:
    phoenix <j63840576@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:n4c23iF3io7U2@mid.individual.net:

    Mitchell Holman wrote:
    phoenix <j63840576@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:n49ku3Fls9kU1@mid.individual.net:

    Mitchell Holman wrote:
    phoenix <j63840576@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:n49g6fFl20sU7@mid.individual.net:

    NoBody wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Apr 2026 11:06:39 -0000 (UTC), bks@panix.com (Bradley >>>>>>> K. Sherman) wrote:

    |
    | 'People are trying to be creative': Tariff-battered
    | American companies are so cash-starved they are using
    | refund claims as collateral for loans
    | ...
    <https://finance.yahoo.com/economy/policy/articles/people-trying- >>>>>>>> cr ea tive-tariff-battered-081000028.html>

    --bks

    What you didn't quote:

    "U.S. importersâ€â€ÂÂwho have shouldered the brunt of
    the tariffsâ€â€ÂÂare now waiting to receive an
    estimated $166 billion in refunds on the levies. But, battered by >>>>>>> supply-chain woes as a result of the import tax, hiked energy
    prices thanks to the Iran war, and nervous consumers bracing for >>>>>>> recession, many large companies are scrambling for cash."

    Your claim was the costs were passed to consumers so they lost
    NOTHING.l Seems like "corporate greed" is at work. You're
    against that right???

    Right????

    These companies "ate" the tariffs. It's not often that you hear
    liberals commenting on such. $166 billion is quite a lot though
    for them to sweep under the rug. Just wait and watch, they will
    continue to say that the people bore the entire cost of the
    tariffs again and again because they don't care to gain an
    economics background.



    No stockholders will permit a company
    to continually lose profits to appease a
    president. They at least have to put
    forward a plan recoup these loses or face
    a shareholder revolt.




    U.S. Companies Increasingly Passing Tariff Costs on to Consumers
    April 2, 2026

    "The burden of tariffs has now moved squarely onto
    the consumer," said Brian Higgins, U.S. sector leader
    for Industrial Manufacturing at KPMG U.S., in a press
    release. "While businesses absorbed the initial shock
    to their margins, the overwhelming majority are now
    reshaping their pricing models for a trade environment
    where cost pressures are the new constant."

    https://sgbonline.com/kpmg-survey-u-s-companies-increasingly-passing >>>>> -o n- tariff-costs-to-consumers/


    Note that that's "Industrial Manufacturing," such as where the price
    of steel was tariffed along with wood and some other construction
    materials. I think this guy was only talking about in the Industrial
    Manufacturing area, not like Wal-Mart, which sees a lot more
    customers and kept prices low.

    The idea is that the companies are already profitable and tariffs
    won't break their bank. Do you have any information on how much for
    example, Wal-Mart's costs went up from the tariffs? That percentage
    might be an interesting number to this conversation, because I am
    claiming it was smallish, but perhaps I am wrong.

    However, I admit there were quite a few bankruptcies, probably from
    companies that never had a concrete plan on how to deal with the
    tariffs, most likely run by liberals who didn't understand
    economics.



    I rather doubt any company "run by liberals"
    would let themselves be ruined by accepting the
    tariff losses to protect Trump.

    And the biggest block of businesses being
    ruined by Trump's tariffs are farmers who, as
    you have to admit, are hardly liberals.

    Don't you mean "hardy" liberals, because of the socialism that props
    them up with subsidies? Every year tens of billions of dollars is
    funneled from the regular economy to farmers because it's not
    profitable but evidently, necessary. Meanwhile hundreds of billions of
    vegetables go to waste. Something's wrong. Why do we need this
    socialist solution in this capitalist country?



    What is your "capitalist" solution?

    Move to New Zealand and live the New Zealander Dream.
    --
    Pharaoh was so pleased with Hadad that he gave him a
    sister of his own wife, Queen Tahpenes, in marriage.
    The sister of Tahpenes bore him a son named Genubath,
    whom Tahpenes brought up in the royal palace. There
    Genubath lived with Pharaoh’s own children.
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  • From Mitchell Holman@noemail@aol.com to alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics on Thu Apr 16 17:42:51 2026
    From Newsgroup: talk.politics.misc

    phoenix <j63840576@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:n4c9ahF4o2eU1@mid.individual.net:

    Mitchell Holman wrote:
    phoenix <j63840576@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:n4c23iF3io7U2@mid.individual.net:

    Mitchell Holman wrote:
    phoenix <j63840576@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:n49ku3Fls9kU1@mid.individual.net:

    Mitchell Holman wrote:
    phoenix <j63840576@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:n49g6fFl20sU7@mid.individual.net:

    NoBody wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Apr 2026 11:06:39 -0000 (UTC), bks@panix.com
    (Bradley K. Sherman) wrote:

    |
    | 'People are trying to be creative': Tariff-battered
    | American companies are so cash-starved they are using
    | refund claims as collateral for loans
    | ...
    <https://finance.yahoo.com/economy/policy/articles/people-tryin >>>>>>>>> g- cr ea tive-tariff-battered-081000028.html>

    --bks

    What you didn't quote:

    "U.S. importersâ€â€ÂÂwho have
    shouldered the brunt of the
    tariffsâ€â€ÂÂare now waiting to >>>>>>>> receive an estimated $166 billion in refunds on the levies.
    But, battered by supply-chain woes as a result of the import
    tax, hiked energy prices thanks to the Iran war, and nervous
    consumers bracing for recession, many large companies are
    scrambling for cash."

    Your claim was the costs were passed to consumers so they lost >>>>>>>> NOTHING.l Seems like "corporate greed" is at work. You're
    against that right???

    Right????

    These companies "ate" the tariffs. It's not often that you hear
    liberals commenting on such. $166 billion is quite a lot though
    for them to sweep under the rug. Just wait and watch, they will
    continue to say that the people bore the entire cost of the
    tariffs again and again because they don't care to gain an
    economics background.



    No stockholders will permit a company
    to continually lose profits to appease a
    president. They at least have to put
    forward a plan recoup these loses or face
    a shareholder revolt.




    U.S. Companies Increasingly Passing Tariff Costs on to Consumers
    April 2, 2026

    "The burden of tariffs has now moved squarely onto
    the consumer," said Brian Higgins, U.S. sector leader
    for Industrial Manufacturing at KPMG U.S., in a press
    release. "While businesses absorbed the initial shock
    to their margins, the overwhelming majority are now
    reshaping their pricing models for a trade environment
    where cost pressures are the new constant."

    https://sgbonline.com/kpmg-survey-u-s-companies-increasingly-passi >>>>>> ng -o n- tariff-costs-to-consumers/


    Note that that's "Industrial Manufacturing," such as where the
    price of steel was tariffed along with wood and some other
    construction materials. I think this guy was only talking about in
    the Industrial Manufacturing area, not like Wal-Mart, which sees a
    lot more customers and kept prices low.

    The idea is that the companies are already profitable and tariffs
    won't break their bank. Do you have any information on how much
    for example, Wal-Mart's costs went up from the tariffs? That
    percentage might be an interesting number to this conversation,
    because I am claiming it was smallish, but perhaps I am wrong.

    However, I admit there were quite a few bankruptcies, probably
    from companies that never had a concrete plan on how to deal with
    the tariffs, most likely run by liberals who didn't understand
    economics.



    I rather doubt any company "run by liberals"
    would let themselves be ruined by accepting the
    tariff losses to protect Trump.

    And the biggest block of businesses being
    ruined by Trump's tariffs are farmers who, as
    you have to admit, are hardly liberals.

    Don't you mean "hardy" liberals, because of the socialism that props
    them up with subsidies? Every year tens of billions of dollars is
    funneled from the regular economy to farmers because it's not
    profitable but evidently, necessary. Meanwhile hundreds of billions
    of vegetables go to waste. Something's wrong. Why do we need this
    socialist solution in this capitalist country?



    What is your "capitalist" solution?

    Move to New Zealand and live the New Zealander Dream.




    I love it when US conservative pledge
    to escape American liberalism by moving to
    Australia or New Zealand. Countries with
    vastly more gun control and legal abortion
    and government regulation than America ever
    had............













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  • From bks@bks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) to alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics on Thu Apr 16 19:33:30 2026
    From Newsgroup: talk.politics.misc

    | 'People are trying to be creative': Tariff-battered
    | American companies are so cash-starved they are using
    | refund claims as collateral for loans

    |
    | The U.S. government is set to launch an online portal next
    | week that lets businesses request refunds for tariffs
    | deemed illegal by the Supreme Court. But payouts won't be
    | automatic, and legal experts said businesses could face
    | other obstacles getting their money back.
    | ...
    <https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-to-file-for-tariff-refund/>

    --bks
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  • From Donald J. Trump@epstein@maga.gop to alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics on Thu Apr 16 20:16:51 2026
    From Newsgroup: talk.politics.misc

    Bradley K. Sherman wrote:

    | 'People are trying to be creative': Tariff-battered
    | American companies are so cash-starved they are using
    | refund claims as collateral for loans

    |
    | The U.S. government is set to launch an online portal next
    | week that lets businesses request refunds for tariffs
    | deemed illegal by the Supreme Court. But payouts won't be
    | automatic, and legal experts said businesses could face
    | other obstacles getting their money back.
    | ...
    <https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-to-file-for-tariff-refund/>

    --bks

    No better way for Trump and the GOP to gain the support of busineses by screwing them over for the $$ they illegaly ripped off. That will gain
    them big points in the midterms! More Trump genius, master strategy.

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  • From NoBody@NoBody@nowhere.com to alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics on Fri Apr 17 07:16:13 2026
    From Newsgroup: talk.politics.misc

    On Thu, 16 Apr 2026 19:33:30 -0000 (UTC), bks@panix.com (Bradley K.
    Sherman) wrote:

    | 'People are trying to be creative': Tariff-battered
    | American companies are so cash-starved they are using
    | refund claims as collateral for loans

    |
    | The U.S. government is set to launch an online portal next
    | week that lets businesses request refunds for tariffs
    | deemed illegal by the Supreme Court. But payouts won't be
    | automatic, and legal experts said businesses could face
    | other obstacles getting their money back.
    | ...
    <https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-to-file-for-tariff-refund/>

    --bks

    Why are companies entitled to refunds when they passed along the costs
    to consumers? You seem to favor helping big corporations get richer.
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